Genneva Gold

Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Accusing again?

Posting = Support? Trollogic of Anon Me.

Good to know that Anon Me admitted being a GM2 supporter and a GM2 paid troll, but claims that he/she is impartial and take no stand.

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Dear Annoying Me

Now supporting GREEDY CONSULTANTs? Good to know where you stand.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Many thanks for your answer. Good to know that you DO NOT KNOW.

We are not surpised anyway of your IGNORANCE.

Do type more to reveal that YOU DON”T KNOW.

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Dear Annoying Me

1-6) I do not know drug pushers nor condone drug abuse. You seem to know plenty about them though. hahaha

Pls type more, pls type more. No expletives OK?

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Cheah Ming Choo says 11 years ago

Dear Uncle Gold,
Aiyah, you don’t know ah uncle, Dato’ K is with them lah. When The good Dato’ was with the raided goldco, we also did not touch them, right? Even the name has a “guarantee” in it and the good Dato’ K won’t go for any hanky panky, would he? That pl and cow thought they are damn smart, can play play with Dato’ K and get away with it. Now, they are hiding behind their con-sultans.

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Lee Mei May says 11 years ago

Dear Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd and All Consultants,
We the rakyat, as law abiding citizen, hear you all loud and clear and would like to point out to you upper class society that Malaysia subscribe to the rule of law. Every individual or company has a right to run its own lawful business without interference from the the authorities and when such interference occur, resulting in business interruptions, and losses to the company concerned, it can file its affidavits supporting its case and seek redress from the courts, be it a restraining order or an injunction to cease and desist from interference in its business and claim compensation for the losses incurred as a result of such interference. Why are you all not doing this but keep running to canvass the PM, the BNM governor and the home minister for support. The governor would look damn stupid if she were to accede to your demands after her team raided you and suspended your business activities. That would expose BNM to huge claims for compensation from you all and a loss of credibility. Don’t you think so? The home minister would also look damn stupid if he were to tell PDRM to back off since it will send a signal down the line that his remote controller doesn’t work or he does not have a clue as to what is happening in the home ministry. The PM cum finance minister likewise would lose his credibility if he were to instruct the finance ministry to instruct all the 4 (BNM, SSM, PDRM & Consumer affairs)to back off even though his late cousin was your illustrate chairman with capabilty far exceeding that of Dato’ K.
So, for the sake of the customers, please instruct your clever lawyer who advises you on all the manouvres to stay within the law, to seek redress from the court. Remember, it is already more than 3 weeks from the date of the raid and the customers are really hard pressed and as you may already been aware, desparate people do desparate things, if they find that their grievances are not being addressed especially those who had borrowed to buy the gold but for which you have as yet not delivered a single gram, or those who had gone to borrowed using their gold as collateral in order to do a few rounds. As for the consultants, you rent seekers are simply pathetic groveling and sucking up to the mega rent seekers in ameno after being rebuffed by the mca.
To help you all, BNM had prepared a set of answers to FAQs and the grounds on which it based its raid. With all the clues and a superb/clever lawyer, you cannot fail or can you?

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Anon Me,

So many times calling someone “rat”.

Why show your anger?

Why cannot manage your rage?

Why the constant show of rage?

Pls exercise some self-restraint. Head pain/Migraine after 1st Oct knocks? Taking some panadols may help. Ouch…….

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Anon Me – Yes, thank you Cheah Ming Choo for standing up for us all against the rat GREEDY CONSULTANT.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Anon Me,

1) Are drug pushers selling panadols to addicts?

2) Does one need to approach a drug pusher in order to buy panadols?

3) Can one not buy panadols from provision shops or pharmacies?

4) Are provision shop owners drug pushers if they are selling panadols legally?

5) Are licensed doctors prescribing panadols also drug pushers?

6) Are there many panadols addicts around in Malaysia buying panadols from drug pushers?

I seek clarification / elaboration from Anon Me.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Accusations aplenty again?

Strictly Anon Me’s trollogic: Posting = Support.

Per your logic, since you openly posted so much abt GM2 here, you support GM2?

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Anon Me – openly supported it right?

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Anon Me, you mean to say ALLEGED drug pusher = drug pusher?

Why taking so long to answer? You retarded? Quicky can or not?

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

har? I only see incredible/uncredible posts from you.

Slowly? I don’t post any, you can wait forever.

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Anon Me – You posting incredible/uncredible posts very slowly… hahahaha

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

You mean WORD or WORK?

If it is WORD, well, I don’t have to look, all that you wrote all CONJECTURES. No substance, no stand, just conjectures and accusations.

hahaha

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Anon Me – You were looking for the work conjecture right?

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Anonymous me says 11 years ago

Hurry up Annoying Me. You posting incredible/uncredible posts very slowly… hahahaha

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Did I see clearly the word “ALLEGED” being used by Anon Me? Not once but twice?

Did I use “ALLEGED drug pusher” in my example? NO.

Neither did Anon Me in his/her first reply:

Anonymous me
23/10/2012 at 09:57 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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Dear Annoying Me

Drug pushers are guilty before proven? Straight masuk jail/death sentence without trial? If the drug sold is found out to be panadol, how? Are you above the law & insinuate a defect in My/Sg legal system?

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And now,the word “ALLEGED” magically appeared twice:

Anonymous me
23/10/2012 at 14:07 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

Dear Annoying Me

Prior to arrest, how to know ALLEGED drug pusher is ACTUALLY and KNOWINGLY selling something illegal? Is evidence required? If no evidence is found on the ALLEGED drug pusher, still guilty before proven? Straight masuk jail/death sentence without trial? Are you above the law & insinuate a defect in My/Sg legal system?

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Anon Me, you mean to say ALLEGED drug pusher = drug pusher?

Just a yes or no suffice, no need to be verbose.

Genneva is a ponzi.
Only Genneva is a ponzi.

Both sentences same meaning? yes? no?

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

For all the weak attempts Anon Me may put up to assail JH’s posts as well negative insinuations on JH, everyone one knows JH’s posts to be the truth.

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Anon Me to JH: Errr… how to prove Anonymous me from above is Anonymous me from http://www.martinlee.sg? Cannot?

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

“He the mercenary, anony me, had been on the self destruct mode since may moons ago and that is where he belong being a maso-sadist craving for recognition of which he/she had been deprived of since childhood.’

Well written, Cheah ! +1

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Not surprised at all to see Anon Me post to uncredible/incredible comments like the one below.

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Hope Annoying Me & poster greenhorn are not offended. They support Genneva consultants & what they do.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Anon Me said – DRUG PUSHERS are guilty before proven?

Do you mean to say “Suspects” are guilty before proven? Wrong use of words?

Because the meaning of DRUG PUSHER – Drug pusher means a person who SELLS ILLEGAL drugs, esp narcotics such as heroin and morphine.

It does not say – Drug pusher means a person SUSPECTED of selling ILLEGAL drugs, esp narcotics such as heroin and morphine.

The Tak-jadi lawyer has failed his/her criminal procedures code module.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Anon Me,

More false accusations without evidence?

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Anon Me – Good to let one & all see you support Genneva Consultants.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Anon Me,

Calling others RATS?

Why the constant show of rage?

Still showing your anger? Pls exercise some self-restraint.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Another good one, greenhorn.
Anon Me got so many knocks on the head after Oct 1st, now became a panadol addict.

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greenhorn
22/10/2012 at 22:43 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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Anon Me,

Looks like you are not only suffering from reading disability, but your condition had deteriorated to now suffer from identification disability too.

You must have lost a lot in this debacle. Poor you.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Purpose of question marks
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Question marks are deliberately thrown in for future trolling purposes by Anon Me – to remain non-committal as in:

Did I say “Do they have the gold…” or Did I say “They have the gold….”.

This is precisely the purpose of Anon Me’s questioning. Not to seek clarification / elaboration as so “elegantly” repeated. But to AVOID making a definitive stand, and the question mark(s) leaves behind avenues to fabricate different versions of “follow up replies” depending on which way the wind is blowing.

So now Anon Me will proclaim along this line – “Thank you for verifying I did not state they had the gold when they buy. I merely questioned for clarification / elaboration. Did you not see the question mark ?”

Thank you Anon Me for admitting you do not take any definitive stand. I wonder your same old repetitive posts stressing your same old points are meant to make which kind of “stand”? Candle stands?

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When seeking elaboration/clarification, do enquiries end with question marks?

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Another display of hallucination and understanding disability of Anon Me.

Check your dictionary – Drug pusher means a person who sells ILLEGAL drugs, esp narcotics such as heroin and morphine.

In my example, the drug pusher is ACTUALLY and KNOWINGLY selling something illegal and apprehanded. Evertything must be spelt out so CLEARLY in a blog for you the idiot Anon Me? Only idiots like Anon Me cannot read

“Drug pushers” selling Panadols to addicts? Something new. Need to approach a “drug pusher” to buy panadol? Cannot buy from provision shops or pharmacies? Provision shop owners are drug pushers if selling panadols legally? Licensed doctors prescribing panadols are also drug pushers? Many panadols addicts around in Malaysia?

Maybe Anon Me has become a Panadol addict as “The raid did really deliver a hard knocks on its head”…..kee xiao lah this lunatic troll Anon Me.

Maybe some Tak jadi lawyer trying to defend some scum bag drug dealer in court insisting panadol = heroin………

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p c wong says 11 years ago

BANK NEGARA’s FAQ’s and answers reported in the STAR today:

Tuesday October 23, 2012

Bank Negara: FAQs on gold firm raids

PETALING JAYA: Bank Negara has provided answers to nine frequently asked questions following raids against companies suspected of operating illegal financial schemes using gold.

On the authorities’ concern with the business model of such companies, Bank Negara said the operating schemes were believed to be unsustainable.

“Such schemes are not funded through actual gold trading but from new monies invested into such schemes,” it said.

It also added that the value of assets and monies held by such companies did not commensurate with the amount collected from the investors.

> On why the raids were carried out:

The companies were being investigated for suspected offences, including illegal financial schemes, money laundering, tax evasion, false description including misrepresentations, appointment of agents without licence and failure to lodge statutory documents.

> On why the authorities were only taking action now:

Enforcement action can only be taken when it has been established that there is reason to believe an offence has been committed.

“This is to avoid hasty or reckless enforcement actions that may affect genuine businesses,” said Bank Negara, adding that the length of investigations depended on the complexity and magnitude of the case.

It also said that the investigations were accorded high priority and all necessary resources were being mobilised by the relevant enforcement agencies to conclude the investigations as early as possible.

> On why the assets of the affected companies were frozen and seized:

This is to prevent attempts to destroy or suppress evidence.

“This also prevents the assets from being dissipated to the detriment of the investors,” said Bank Negara.

> On whether the affected investors can claim their money or gold from the seized assets:

Bank Negara said it was up to the court.

“After the court proceeding is concluded, investors may file to the Court a third party claim for the return of money or gold,” it added.

Bank Negara also provided tips to evaluate an investment scheme such as urging consumers to only deal with licensed financial institutions and authorised dealers as well as refer to financial fraud alert on Bank Negara and Security Commission’s websites.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Well, do we need proof? Intelligent readers can infer the similar writing type, similar arguments, similar words and decide whether the posts originated from the same person.

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Anonmous Me – Btw, Errr… how to prove Anonymous me from Lowyat/JH is Anonymous me from http://www.martinlee.sg? Cannot? Yes?

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

BNM statement 22 Oct 2012 (part 4 and last)
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This section offers good advice to the public interested in buying gold.

Contrast this with Anon Me’s numerous advices given out in this blog (and elsewhere) – “buyer’s discretion and so on ….” prior to 1st Oct. raid.

The FAQ:

Q: What is the advice to members of the public who would like to invest?

A: The public is advised to be cautious of investment schemes that promise high returns with seemingly low risk, with an arrangement that guarantees the return of the principal amount invested. Members of the public are also advised to check with the relevant authorities when dealing with companies or individuals offering such seemingly attractive business opportunities or financial services that are not licensed by the authorities.

As a guide, members of the public are encouraged to observe the following when evaluating an investment scheme:

•Remember – if it sounds too good to be true, it’s probably not true;
•Beware of Ponzi schemes. They are fraudulent investment schemes where the operators will take money from new investors to pay earlier or existing investors. Eventually it will reach a critical stage when there are not enough new investors to support this and subsequently the whole scheme collapses;
•Deal only with licensed financial institutions and authorised dealers;
•Check with the relevant authorities before investing/ depositing;
•Don’t be pressured or rushed to invest;
•Be extra careful with investments over the internet;
•Be sceptical of any investment opportunity that is not in writing;
•In case an investment has been made, keep copies of all the investment documentation; and
•Refer to the following financial fraud alert websites:
◦http://www.bnm.gov.my/microsites/fraudalert/index.htm
◦http://www.sc.com.my/sub.asp?pageid=&menuid=233&newsid=&linkid=&type=

If you come across fraudulent investment schemes, you are encouraged to lodge a police report.

Bank Negara Malaysia
22 October 2012

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

BNM statement 22 Oct 2012 (part 3)
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The FAQ:

Q: How long will the investigations take?

A: The length of the investigations would depend on the complexity and magnitude of the case. The complexity increases due to the international dimension of such cases. Cooperation by the affected parties will facilitate the investigation process. The investigations are accorded high priority and all necessary resources are being mobilised by the relevant enforcement agencies to bring the investigations to the earliest conclusion.

Q: Why have the assets been frozen and seized?

A: In cases of suspected illegal financial schemes, the authorities conduct search and seizure operations to secure the evidence and to avoid the companies from destroying or suppressing evidence. This also prevents the assets from being dissipated to the detriment of the investors.

Under section 44 of Anti-Money Laundering and Anti-Terrorism Financing Act 2001 (AMLATFA), the law enforcement agencies are empowered to freeze any assets when it is suspected that an offence of money laundering has been committed.

Q: What is going to happen to the assets and gold that have been seized?

A: Any assets seized during the course of raids are meticulously documented and accounted for and maintained in safe custody. If there are criminal proceedings, such assets will only be dealt with at the direction of the Court.

Q: Can an affected investor claim his/her money or gold from the seized assets?

A: Assets seized during the course of the investigations can only be dealt with at the direction of the Court. Investors may file to the Court a third party claim for the return of his/her money or gold. Information on whether, and how, to file a claim will be provided after court proceedings are concluded.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

BNM statement 22 Oct 2012 (part 2)
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The FAQ:

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: Why did the authorities raid such companies?

A: The raids were conducted in the interest of protecting the affected investors from putting more money at risk as well as the public at large.

The companies that are involved are investigated for suspected offences that include illegal financial schemes, money laundering, tax evasion, false description including misrepresentations, appointment of agents without licence and failure to lodge statutory documents.

Q: What is the concern with the business model of such companies?

A: The concern is that such companies are operating schemes believed to be not sustainable. Such companies promised high monthly returns to the investors and a guarantee to buy back the gold. Such schemes are not funded through actual gold trading but from new monies invested into such schemes.

Frequently, the amount of assets and monies held by such companies do not commensurate with the amount collected from the investors.

Q: Why have the authorities only taken action now?

A: Any enforcement action can only be taken when it has been established that there is reason to believe an offence has been committed. This is to avoid hasty or reckless enforcement actions that may affect genuine businesses.

Q: What is the status of the actions by the authorities?

A: The investigations are now ongoing. Regular statements will be issued by the authorities to keep the public informed of the progress of the investigations. Members of the public are advised to only refer to information from official statements issued by the law enforcement agencies for updates on the case.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

BNM statement 22 Oct 2012 (part 1)
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I remember in August when BNM issued public warning of Ponzi gold trading as well as alert list, Anon List has this to say repeatedly:

1. Is it stated on BNM PONZI warning advert the name of GM2, Poh Kwong, or any banks? Do BNM PONZI warning advert make reference to the alert list?

Anon Me strongly insisted that BNM did not specify the name of GM2 in any of its public warnings. One can refer to the exchanges between Anon Me and greenhorn (a regualr poster) at page 15.

This is the lastest statement 22 Oct by BNM after the recent goldcos raids.
Again BNM did not specify the name GM2. I wonder why? I wonder if Anon Me will strongely insist that the statement does not refer to the gold trader call GM2 ?? !!

This is the statement:
http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_press&pg=en_press_all&ac=2692&lang=en

Ref No : 10/12/12 Embargo : For immediate release Joint Raids on Companies Suspected of Conducting Illegal Financial Schemes Using Gold In light of numerous queries received by the enforcement agencies on recent actions taken against companies suspected of operating illegal financial schemes using gold, the following set of Frequently Asked Questions and Answers are for the benefit of members of the public, in particular the affected parties.

Joint statement by:

The Royal Malaysia Police
Ministry of Domestic Trade, Cooperative and Consumerism
Companies Commission of Malaysia
Bank Negara Malaysia

22 October 2012

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Lee Mei May says 11 years ago

Sg CAD issued their FAQ followed by BNM on 22/10/2012. Must admit that BNM has a more complicated case compared to CAD. Despite the twist by the con-sultans, please note the following :
1. The Joint statement is issued by BNM jointly with the RMP (PDRM or as some call it PRDM – Polis Raja Di Malaysia), Ministry of Domestic Trade, Cooperative and Consumerism and SSM or Companies Commission of Malaysia.
2. The earlier stated subjects of investigation is repeated, viz.,
“suspected offences that include illegal financial schemes, money laundering, tax evasion, false description including misrepresentations, appointment of agents without licence and failure to lodge statutory documents. The statement can be viewed at the BNM website.
As proposed earlier, either BNM or the goldco should hold a gathering and explain their positions to those affected instead of all the fat arses in the “Genneva support group” going around dangling false hopes to those affected. The situation is further complicated by Dato’ K switching camp after being ousted by the PM’s cousin. Genneva won the battle but the war is now fought on the BNM turf. Watch for developments as history repeats itself with some variations in the plot of the sequel.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Good one greenhorn. +1 to you, +1 to JH also.

Anon Me completely dissociates himself(or her) from “Anonymous me’s” posts at other forums/blogs by saying “Errr… how to prove Anonymous me from above is Anonymous me from http://www.martinlee.sg? Cannot?”

Well, do we need proof? Intelligent readers can infer the similar writing type, similar arguments, similar words and decide whether the posts originated from the same person. JH has already highlighted in Bold the various KEY words for inference.

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greenhorn
22/10/2012 at 22:53 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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Thanks for the highlights, Jeen Hao.

After 01 Oct 2012, Anon Me cannot remember well what it had posted in this forums and other forums (like Lowyat etc). The raid did really deliver a hard knocks on its head.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Dear greenhorn,

I agree with you.

Anon Me is as usual using semantics and wordplay to dodge and deflect.

Now Anon Me said whether GM2 is ethical depends on the results of the investigation by BNM and other enforcement agencies. So GM2 was not in control of its operations right from the beginning, the directors are “unsure” if they were ethical because as per Anon Me – “It is ethical up till point of investigation. Thereafter, it hinges on the results”.

An “Anonymous” drug pusher sells drugs to addicts, saying “YOUR MONEY, YOUR CHOICE, YOUR HEALTH, YOUR RISK” and claims he is doing ethical biz. When caught, he still claims he is ethical, pending investigation results. So, this Anonymous’s drug pusher’s biz is ethical if uncaught, and unethical if sentenced?

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greenhorn
22/10/2012 at 22:58 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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Identification disability at its best displayed by Anon Me.

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GREEDY CONSULTANT says 11 years ago

to Anony me…

got one thing i fully agreed with u…GREEDY CONSULTANTs are all RATS…i m using this user name to insult people like u….hahaha…..RATS

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GREEDY CONSULTANT says 11 years ago

Anony me…

Hahaha…copy cat, why follow what i said and repeat after me….u r really a clown…hahaha….gone all ur CONmission….hahaha

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GREEDY CONSULTANT says 11 years ago

Hi Cheah Ming Choo,

did i laugh at the other…i only comment on Anony me, i didnt know u r his buddy….hope u read the comments carefully…

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Jeen Hao says 11 years ago

Anony:

In the end, It is up to you (the investor) to decide.

All things considered (together with all the info from the internet), decide. Your money, your choice.

Following the great deluge of news media, if potential buyers continue buying & if existing buyers continue renewing, may one say it is an informed freedom of choice?

YOUR MONEY, YOUR CHOICE, YOUR RISK. YOU STILL BUY DESPITE ALL THE PRESS REPORTS / BNM WARNINGS / ALERT LIST / DISCRETIONARY CLAUSES / WARNING OF PONZI IN THE NET / DIRECTORS STILL FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES…..”

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Jeen Hao says 11 years ago

Anonymous me
07/08/2012 at 10:50 (UTC 8)

Dear viewers
The more news media concerning gold investment companies, the better. The more news media concerning money scams, the better. It is irrelevant whether the articles are positive or negative. This is because 99.9% of info contained therein are true & verifiable. Consumers are allowed to use their full intellect to discern and make informed choices based on true knowledge. The only persons who will benefit are consumers. Why do you think I have never bothered to respond to reproductions of news articles (only to personal comments attached by posters which require elaboration/clarification)?
Following the great deluge of news media, if potential buyers continue buying & if existing buyers continue renewing, may one say it is an informed freedom of choice?

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Anony:

YOUR MONEY, YOUR CHOICE, YOUR RISK. YOU STILL BUY DESPITE ALL THE PRESS REPORTS / BNM WARNINGS / ALERT LIST / DISCRETIONARY CLAUSES / WARNING OF PONZI IN THE NET / DIRECTORS STILL FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES…..”

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Jeen Hao says 11 years ago

Anonymous me
22/10/2012 at 09:38 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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Dear Jeen Hao

Excellent advice from this Anonymous me poster from your blog. Any further gems from him/her?

Are you on http://www.martinlee.sg blog to promote your own blog?

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Anonymous me August 22, 2012 at 9:16 AM
Dear p c wong

(1) But such unapproved schemes are legitimate? If not, why only warning, why no arrests & closures?
(2) Is the matter to do with goldco? Was it mentioned?
(3) May non-muslims invest then? Must muslims invest in Syariah compliant investments only?
(4) Any company names mentioned?

Why do you come to Jeen Hao Blogsite to advertise for another blogsite? Do you have any pecuniary interest in the other website/issue? Do you know that is very rude/impolite and a definite affront to Jeen Hao?

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Anonymous me August 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Dear p c wong

Why do you come to Jeen Hao Blogsite to advertise for another blogsite? Do you have any pecuniary interest in the other website/issue? Do you know that is very rude/impolite and a definite affront to Jeen Hao?

You mentioned “a scam which will collapse very soon”. Any time frame when it will come.

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Anonymous me October 5, 2012 at 8:57 AM
Dear merlion

Seeking elaboration/clarification menas spouting nonsense?
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Cheah Ming Choo says 11 years ago

Hi GREEDY CONSULTANT,
Does laughing at others ease your pain and agony. Like all rent seekers, you are arrogant, full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Hi, this is Uncle Martin’s blog and it is not for you to welcome or not welcome anyone. The problem with you jokers is that you are so attached to your golden rice bowl and luxury lifestyle that that you are willing to be the cat’s paw. Let me guess, why the goldco is letting the con-sultans do all the shouting and milling around sucking up all those fellow ameno rent seekers.
1. The goldco has no more money to splash around. The PM is saying “don’t worry” We will get our funds elsewhere for GE-13. Your princess came to see me empty handed not even some buah tangan for my darling such as a Birkin handbag and she is not even convinced that your business model is sustainable. Moreover, her uncle is in Royal G and is a fan of mine not like you and your buddies who only want to use me;
2. The goldco is not interested in positive BNM action such as return of seized items and unfreezing of their accounts as they will then have to face the wrath of the customers if they do not deliver;
3. The goldco has a lot of shit which will hit the fan once they go on the rabble rousing;
4. The goldco waited nearly a year before taking action re- Genneva Sg and now when the letters are on the wall, the trio of NPW, Marcus or was it Sunny, and CWL are abandoning the Pte Ltd knowing it is a gone case and blaming it on their Sg partner LWK for their negligence of fiduciary duty. Why didn’t the Sg con-sultans organize protest of the CAD action? Why didn’t they challenge the Sg DPM for the reported statement to Parliament?
5. The goldco trio is now scared stiff of being kidnap victims or being “hantam” by desparate customers. Here, I think the con-sultans will have to be carefull as there are instances where they have made mis-representations to get their customers business and if they do not get their masters to come out and sort out the mess they will be the next targets of the customers.
Happy gold buying but made sure that it is not ponzi using the same business model as the raided goldco

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

MORE COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE “INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY ??” GM2 DIRECTORS
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This is how a billion RM company known as Genneva is run – Directors all keeping quiet at the sight of trouble at their company.

En. Mohd. Sani, a Genneva Consultant:

Mohd Sani:

They say we must support Genneva, …. so we did. But They should lead the way, and we can take the role of supporters. But in the end the consultants is leading the activity. Where are they the management people?

My customer is not happy where only the consultants are taking the initiatives in dealing with crisis but not the ma…nagement. Management seems to be happily ‘Lepas Tangan’ even they refuse to give assurance letter to the customer. Management thus far fails to do their part.

Consultants have no jurisdiction and authority to do anything. Only Genneva management has the authority. All meetings mostly organize by consultant. Where is the management? So all the meetings are fake and have ‘no standing’ (no minutes and Note of confirmation of the meetings.

Whose business is this? The consultants? The customers ? The consultants does not owns it, neither the customer, so who owns it? why do consultant so busy as if it is their company, where are the directors that owned the company and they (directors & management) should lead the way. Why are they running away? Where are they, why there is nothing been done by the management? Why ‘menyorok’? Even they fail to make arrangement meeting between PM and the new chairman. All are kept silence,….. and silence is as good as an absence and absence is that you are not doing your job or you have some ulterior motives and agenda.

Everybody is at stake now. I feel something is going on between them……. why they are leaving us alone to run the campaign? God knows… as I’ve mentioned earlier, in the end we are the victim and they scot free and we lost everything … and they open a new business as per 2009, next year…..

And now we know that, election is coming. Mandate of BN is coming to an end, and once they are busy with their campaign they have no time (they will not entertain us and give priority on meeting their party leaders) for us or even to government official (thru my experience as government servant). UMNO and MCA final meeting is over…. Others (MIC and Gerakan) will follow soon….. once they dissolve parliament, nobody is in power, and they will distanced themselves away for many reasons.

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GREEDY CONSULTANT says 11 years ago

Anony me….

aiyoyo…so poor things, no more CONmission for u….so free to come here and let go ur gas…hahaha…can see that u r so freaking free that u contribute many comments here but is seems like u r just like a rat that are not welcome here….hahahaha

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Dear greenhorn,

Nice to have you back. The “impartial” Anon Me takes offense at anyone who is anti-Genneva lah………pls forgive him/her……….hahaha.

In actual fact, there were some posts by Anon Me insinualting that you and me are the same person………..goes to show.

I wonder where the pro-GM2 camp like Pros Low, WarriorsofGenneva etc etc have gone to? Maybe camping at Gen My Sup FB in preparation for the great march to Putrajaya. No fun just reading Anon Me posts here – mostly 1-liners, anger management or hairloss issues, repeated broadcast (old vinyl record stuck at same position)……..hahaha

Have a great Monday.

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greenhorn
21/10/2012 at 08:54 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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You really don’t like me, do you Anon Me? Seems like you are getting very personal here.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Anon Me posted:
2. Do they have gold in hand if they buy?

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But Gen My Sup FB said:

We already knew (and so do you) a week before the BNM raid, that GOLD, hibah and commissions will be released beginning first week of Oct. We were raided on Monday, 1 Oct……….

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Of course, there was this question mark deliberately thrown in for future trolling purposes by Anon Me – to remain non-committal as in:

Did I say “Do they have the gold…” or Did I say “They have the gold….”.

This is precisely the purpose of Anon Me’s questioning. Not to seek clarification / elaboration as so “elegantly” repeated. But to AVOID making a definitive stand, and the question mark(s) leaves behind avenues to fabricate different versions of “follow up replies” depending on which way the wind is blowing.

So now Anon Me will proclaim along this line – “Thank you for verifying I did not state they had the gold when they buy. I merely questioned for clarification / elaboration. Did you not see the question mark ?”

Was there, not there….. could be, could not be……….. same boat? different boat………guess? guess not………question marks, no question marks………. All semantics wordplay game Anon Me is playing here.

No one can tell the future to 100% accuracy, not even a fortune teller. So when posters here like pc wong etc said Genneva will collapse soon, based on observed signs and indications, Anon Me question rebutted with “Your conjecture? Got a date to go with it?”.

When Genneva did get raided, notice the date issue now becomes irrelevant to Anon Me, the attack now becomes “He/She only knows when it happens. Much like you & I”.

Of course we will know it 100% when it happened, as with GM2 now. But there are people like pc wong (Anon Me excluded) with foresight and analytical mind who can foresee things happening to a reasonable amount of accurary.

Notice how quickly Anon Me’s position shifted from worshipping GM2 as a ethical and legal company to now:

1) do you still find GM2 ethical?

Ans by Anon Me: With investigation currently pending conclusion, my opinion hinges on the results.

I wait eagerly to see how Anon Me can snake his/her way around the follow up qn by greenhorn:

Anon Me,

1) You stated earlier that GM2 is ethical. You still hold to that position until the investigation is completed? Or you have downgraded your earlier position of “yes, it is ethical” to “now I am not sure, and have doubt on its ethic” position?

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Anon Me,

The key word is ONLY. Who put it there?

Let me put these 2 sentences to you, AGAIN:

1) Genneva is a ponzi
2) ONLY Genneva is a ponzi

Both sentences same meaning?

Just a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will be more than sufficient, no if, buts, however, or other fanciful wordplay.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Thanks Jeen Hao for your posts and welcome to the blog.

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Quoting Anon Me (again):

YOUR MONEY, YOUR CHOICE, YOUR RISK. YOU STILL BUY DESPITE ALL THE PRESS REPORTS/BNM WARNINGS/ALERT LIST/DISCRETIONARY CLAUSES/WARNING OF PONZI IN THE NET/DIRECTORS STILL FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES…..”

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Lee Mei May says 11 years ago

Dear All,
Witness the arrogance of the “Dream on” and the questioning of Mohd Sani and his lawyer client’s intention as if the lawyer does not know his rights and the party responsible for his being stuck.
Take the case of Benny Madoff, did those affected sue the authorities or Madoff?
Several months before the raid, BNM already issued their warnings and published their alert list. All they will say is “see you in court” as they had not raided the customer but the goldco. Did any of the goldco or affected customer take cognisence of the warning. Instead Joseph Kow, the goldco Regional Manager, went on an expensive roadshow using Goldbeam members’ fund, waving letters supposedly from the PM and authorities and telling the world the self righteousness of the goldco. Both Sg and Mal raided the goldco on the same day and the super efficient Sg is yet to announce the results of their investigations. Can BNM or the PM work faster to save the quality lifesyles of the con-sultans and customer? While my sympathies are with the customers, I think the con-sultans and the goldco had it coming. They are even using young school kids to demonstrate. What a shame for such mercenary parents. (See pic at http://jonathan-quek.com/arudeawaking/).
Did the gomen or the authorities carrying out the raid give the greelight for the goldco to run such operation? Are they responsible for the lavish lifestyle of the con-sultans? If the goldco feels that they are right why do they not take out a writ against the authorities and get the court to insue an injunction instead of fighting a “guerrila proxy” war. All that the authorities need to do is to tell the proxies to tell their masters to fight their own war. They have caused enough havoc with their get rich quick scheme.

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Jeen Hao says 11 years ago

From JeenHao’s Blog

• Anonymous me September 21, 2012 at 2:58 AM
After considering all the warnings signs (as listed in this blog, the media, the government and etc) and all the negative feedback, would a wise person still want to invest his hard earn money in this scheme? . Just like would a shop owner hire someone with dodgy background to be his cashier? In the end, It is up to you (the investor) to decide .

o Anonymous me June 27, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Dear Albert
Those who wish to stick their neck out need to ask themselves first:
1. Are they aware of & do they fully understand the discretionery clause?
2. Do they have gold in hand if they buy?
3. Are they buying within their limits and comfortable with the dollar value premium they pay for the gold?
4. Do they know their risk profile?
All things considered (together with all the info from the internet), decide. Your money, your choice.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

I agree with LMM’s comment:

Quote:
Customers should make police reports, report to BNM and the securities commission and SSM if they have interest in the seized assets as otherwise they may be deemed to be in abetment of the scheme. Your con-sultans are only looking after their own interest in protecting their golden rice bowl and expensive lifestyle. You die that is your business.- unquote

This is the scenario that GM2’s bosses are terribly afraid of, victims making police reports.

And they are doing all they can to prevent people from making police reports. See posts below:

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From Gen My Sup FB:

Mohd Sani

It is too slow and late now, my customer is going to sue me and genneva to court by next week. There is no news from the genneva management and he is not happy. Genneva ask us to support them but they fail to administer the customer. Now he is calling all customers who is in favour for this, please come out and send your contact to my face book so we can gather and discuss what are the line of action to be taken on this course of action. By the way this customer is a lawyer and ready for the proceeding… Please send your name and contact number… asp….

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Genneva Malaysia Supporters

Mohd Sani, we question you and your lawyer’s intentions. You think suing Genneva will expedite getting your gold back? Dream on. As everyone mentioned here, you and your clients should be suing BNM who are the culprits holding our gold and froze Genneva’s bank account. We already knew (and so do you) a week before the BNM raid, that gold, hibah and commissions will be released beginning first week of Oct. We were raided on Monday, 1 Oct.

WE SHOULD QUESTION BNM – THEY HAD TWO SOLID WEEKS TO INVESTIGATE AND RESULTS SHOULD BE OUT BY NOW. WHY THE DELAY, ONLY LAST MINUTE INTERVIEW GENNEVA STAFF ON WEDNESDAY 17 OCT AND DIRECTORS ON 18 OCT? OUR CONCLUSION, DELAY TACTICS WITH THE HOPE SOME CUSTOMERS WILL SUE GENNEVA. THEY ALREADY TRIED THAT LAST WEEK, REMEMBER? ASKING CUSTOMERS TO MAKE POLICE REPORTS.

WE GIVE THEM TILL NEXT WEEK TO RELEASE EVERYTHING DUE TO US HELD BY BNM. WE WILL ANNOUNCE NEXT STEPS AS ONE GENNEVA FAMILY. BE ASSURED WE, GENNEVA MALAYSIA SUPPORTERS GROUP HAVE PLANS WAITING TO BE EXECUTED IF WE DON’T HEAR POSITIVE NEWS BY NEXT WEEK. SURE, IN SPITE OF THE EMOTIONAL STRESS CAUSED BY BANK NEGARA, WE ARE BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE THEM ONE MORE WEEK.

Mohd Sani, please don’t jeopardize our efforts. Thank you.
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Lee Mei May says 11 years ago

Dear All,
Ai-yah you all have to be aware that the Directors and hidden hands (Ex Poh Kong partner Ng PW, Yee & Chin) are so busy to avoid the kidnapping which happened after GM1 was raided on 21/07/2009 for reasons you may guess. The regional director of GM2, the Penang Dato’ cow, at one of the meetings with senior con-sultans, very proudly told the meeting that he told BNM that he does not know how the goldco gets its money to pay the commission, hibah and expenses. That may be the reason BNM latch to the idea of the unsustainability due to the evasive answer. Customers should make police reports, report to BNM and the securities commission and SSM if they have interest in the seized assets as otherwise they may be deemed to be in abetment of the scheme. Your con-sultans are only looking after their own interest in protecting their golden rice bowl and expensive lifestyle. You die that is your business.
Incidently, today the goldoc is calling all con-sultans for meeting most probably to sign a petition to the gomen/ameno calling for the lifting of the suspension, return of seized items and unfreezing of the accounts.
By the way, if you are just engage in the buying and selling of gold, why do you need con-sultans?

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Jeen Hao says 11 years ago

ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD
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This is what Warren Buffett had to say about gold investment.

Warren Buffett: Why stocks beat gold and bonds
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http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/02/09/warren-buffett-berkshire-shareholder-letter/

some excerpts,

Today the world’s gold stock is about 170,000 metric tons. If all of this gold were melded together, it would form a cube of about 68 feet per side. (Picture it fitting comfortably within a baseball infield.) At $1,750 per ounce — gold’s price as I write this — its value would be about $9.6 trillion. Call this cube pile A.

Let’s now create a pile B costing an equal amount. For that, we could buy all U.S. cropland (400 million acres with output of about $200 billion annually), plus 16 Exxon Mobils (the world’s most profitable company, one earning more than $40 billion annually). After these purchases, we would have about $1 trillion left over for walking-around money (no sense feeling strapped after this buying binge). Can you imagine an investor with $9.6 trillion selecting pile A over pile B?

Beyond the staggering valuation given the existing stock of gold, current prices make today’s annual production of gold command about $160 billion. Buyers — whether jewelry and industrial users, frightened individuals, or speculators — must continually absorb this additional supply to merely maintain an equilibrium at present prices.

A century from now the 400 million acres of farmland will have produced staggering amounts of corn, wheat, cotton, and other crops — and will continue to produce that valuable bounty, whatever the currency may be. Exxon Mobil (XOM) will probably have delivered trillions of dollars in dividends to its owners and will also hold assets worth many more trillions (and, remember, you get 16 Exxons). The 170,000 tons of gold will be unchanged in size and still incapable of producing anything. You can fondle the cube, but it will not respond.

Admittedly, when people a century from now are fearful, it’s likely many will still rush to gold. I’m confident, however, that the $9.6 trillion current valuation of pile A will compound over the century at a rate far inferior to that achieved by pile B.

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Jeen Hao says 11 years ago

http://jeenhao.com/precious-metal-investment/genneva-gold-investment-scheme-legit-or-scam/#comment-888

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Anonymous me September 21, 2012 at 2:58 AM
After considering all the warnings signs (as listed in this blog, the media, the government and etc) and all the negative feedback, would a wise person still want to invest his hard earn money in this scheme? . Just like would a shop owner hire someone with dodgy background to be his cashier? In the end, It is up to you (the investor) to decide .

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Anonymous me June 27, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Dear Albert

Those who wish to stick their neck out need to ask themselves first:
1. Are they aware of & do they fully understand the discretionery clause?
2. Do they have gold in hand if they buy?
3. Are they buying within their limits and comfortable with the dollar value premium they pay for the gold?
4. Do they know their risk profile?
All things considered (together with all the info from the internet), decide. Your money, your choice.

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Anony,

Pls advise where I stated:
“YOUR MONEY, YOUR CHOICE, YOUR RISK. YOU STILL BUY DESPITE ALL THE PRESS REPORTS/BNM WARNINGS/ALERT LIST/DISCRETIONARY CLAUSES/WARNING OF PONZI IN THE NET/DIRECTORS STILL FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES…..”

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

More GM2 victims awakening and going against the GM2 Directors
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The tide seems to have started to turn slowly. From Genneva Supporters Vs BNM, it appears it is fast becoming Genneva Supporters Vs Directors now.

Some comments in Gen My Sup FB before they got deleted away by the Admin:
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Kim-Siang Ng: Directors of Geneva, we need to hear from you and your affirmation to us NOW.

Chen Lee Ting: Patient is limited. Support also must receive return equally! Our clients all are human, not robot that we can remote control them to be forever patient.

枝叶柚希: agree with you chen, Support also must receive return equally!

Mei Ooi: Genneva Management & Directors, we want to hear from you and not only from Genneva Supporters. Dont tell us you are so busy even to write us a morale statement….

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Anon Me, it is again your deluded CONJECTURE I admitted to something as per your unproven claim. It only proves once again you have reading disability.

Hey, let me play the game too – Pls advise WHERE I admitted to something (as per below) as per your imagination? No? Cannot find? Perhaps just your delusion? Yes?

You are most welcome Anon Me. Yeh, I am glad you like the way I reply. Me too….hahaha..

So easy to deal with a loser like you here……snicker

Evidences aplenty here:

http://jeenhao.com/precious-metal-investment/genneva-gold-investment-scheme-legit-or-scam/#comment-888

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Dear Annoying Me

Good to see you admit yourself as a liar & are unable to provide any evidence.

It is even better that you like to post as a new comment each time. All viewers can then see your post, followed by my refutal & nothing else.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

hahahaha, I am not going to waste time to cut/paste Anon Me’s posts, readers can read back a few pages here. Instead I will post here the link to JeenHao’s blog:

http://jeenhao.com/precious-metal-investment/genneva-gold-investment-scheme-legit-or-scam/#comment-888

Good points in that blog regarding GM2 scam, and viewers can read Anon Me’s usual rubbish posts there which proves the statement below.

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Dear Annoying Me

Pls advise where I stated:
“YOUR MONEY, YOUR CHOICE, YOUR RISK. YOU STILL BUY DESPITE ALL THE PRESS REPORTS/BNM WARNINGS/ALERT LIST/DISCRETIONARY CLAUSES/WARNING OF PONZI IN THE NET/DIRECTORS STILL FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES…..”

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

hahaha, Anon Me, you are so malu now that you beloved GM2 has collapsed? Getting so personal now trying to defend your GM2? relac lah, not the end of the world.

The biggest losers here are the pro-GM2 people like Anon Me ! I for one, is a hater. I have a FB account (see link below) for GM2 haters to target the Directors and the Con-Sultants, but not the victims.

It is Anon Me YOUR purely deluded CONJECTURE that I had lost lots to GM2. Hey, let me play the game too – Anon Me said I lost lots to GM2, you Anon Me got a figure to go with that? RM 1K? RM 1 million? No figure, any SnP or statement? Anon Me got a date when I bought stupid gold from GM2? No date to go along with that?

Anon Me has already lost everything to GM2 that is why sulking so much here, assuming others are losing control over anger and rage as much as Anon Me himself (or her)…….Loser…snicker.

Of course Anon Me wants me to shift my target to other goldcos ASAP, because Anon Me cannot bear to read all the shitty things abt Anon Me’s beloved GM2 that I am exposing to the whole world.

But I so happy now enjoying myself bashing GM2 now left right center and of course at the same time inflicting much shame, pain and anger on Anon Me.

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Anonymous me
21/10/2012 at 00:42 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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Dear Annoying Me

If charged with court case pending (like GM1), you will stop? It seems very personal with you & GM2. Not willing to shift focus to next “Tai Kor”. You lost how much with GM2 again? Don’t need malu. We all know how big a loser you are already. hahaha

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Annoying Me
11/10/2012 at 10:17 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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Facebook for Genneva scam haters:

http://www.facebook.com/Genneva.Gold.Haters

Pls target the directors, consultants and not the victims who got scammed by them.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Dear Nur,

I am not done yet with GM2 because I feel this blog provides the victims a real-time source of information as well as uncensored views regarding GM2’s operation.

The victims, besides getting views and updates on Genneva Malaysia Supporters FB (obviously biased and heavily censored by the Admin), may turn to this blog or LYN or elsewhere to read for themselves alternative information. They can then decide what action they would like to take against (or for) GM2.

At the same time, new gold trading firms are emerging and making their presence felt to fill the void left by GM2 (eg TGG), I think this blog provides useful information on this kind of gold ponzi scam to potential new buyers.

I agree with you TGG may be the next “Tai Kor” in Malaysia gold trading scene.

I think I will only stop when the Directors of GM2 are formally charged in court for criminal commercial crimes.

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nur
20/10/2012 at 13:06 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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They are not done yet, still very hooked on commenting, i suggest why not shift their focus on the gold guarantee thread? TGG may be the next Genneva.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

Quote:
Shanti also handed over an appeal letter to the PM stating that over 240,000 family members were dependent on the benefits from Genneva hibah and commissions……

“For retired customers, aged 60 to 80, it was their live long savings which was bringing hope in the form of hibah (discretionary gift) based on the principles of Syariah.. Many of us are dependent on the hibah and commissions for our livelihood.”

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I wonder why these people think that the hibah is a god-send, so much so that livelihoods are dependent on it. Who had “brainwashed” them in the first place?

They still do not accept the fact that the hibah is discretionary, even after the unsigned statement issued by Genneva in its website few days back.

They assume life will go back to normal even after BNM unfreezes GM2’s account (unlikely) and allows it to continue it gold trading operation (also unlikely). Will it?

NO. IF GM2 resumes normal operation, there will be a massive queue for buyback. Does GM2 have the $$$ to “honour” the buyback (also discretionary)? No. Payments will be delayed or GM2 simply declare bankrupt.

IF GM2 resumes normal operation, unlikely they can get new buyers to buy their gold. Without new buyers, the musical chair game stops, no income to pay the hibah. No more OPM to pay the hibah.

So, the outcome for the victims are the same whether or not GM2 resumes operation – unlikely to get any money from GM2 in the next few years (either UNABLE to resume pending court case, or ABLE to resume but cash strapped).

The preferred scenario for the Directors is for its account to remain freezed and fight the case in court (as with GM1) which we are already know
will take many many years. With GM1’s case still pending and undecided, when will the turn for GM2? Meanwhile, it is still party time for the Directors, they are “innocent” till proven otherwise.

While the 2 court case drags (GM1 nd GM2), the Directors will start GM3 and suck in fresh buyers. The cycle repeats.

As for the victims of GM1 and GM2, the convenient excuse by the Directors is the fault lies with BNM and Ag Chambers, not them.

Time for victims of GM2 to wake up from their eternal hibah dream.

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TROLL ALERT says 11 years ago

This report is from Malaysiakini.

What does “don’t worry” means?

Don’t worry, PM assures Genneva gold buyers

M Krishnamoorthy
11:36AM Oct 20, 2012

After 20 days of being caught in a predicament by Bank Negara’s raid on gold company Genneva, a brief meeting with Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak yesterday brought some relief for some 60,000 customers with millions in savings in the precious metal.

Genneva Supporters Group spokesperson M.Shanti met Najib briefly before he entered PWTC for the Supreme Council meeting.

“We are very happy with prime minister’s reassurance, telling us not to worry,” said Shanti.

She then quoted Najib as saying: “I already know about you all and your Genneva case. We are working on it. Don’t worry, we are looking into it.”

Shanti also handed over an appeal letter to the PM stating that over 240,000 family members were dependent on the benefits from Genneva hibah and commissions.

The letter signed by Shanti read: “We use the hibah for medical expenses like operations, dialysis, children’s education fees and family’s expenses.

The whys for requesting help

“Taxes, loans, and even the economy of the country has received our support as we were able to make timely payments.

“For retired customers, aged 60 to 80, it was their live long savings which was bringing hope in the form of hibah (discretionary gift) based on the principles of Syariah.. Many of us are dependent on the hibah and commissions for our livelihood.”

Shanti said they wanted the government to unfreeze Genneva Malaysia assets and company account enabling it to fulfill its obligations to its customers.

At the same time she urged the government to regulate the gold trading industry in Malaysia.

Genneva’s customers were given false hopes by a hoax letter circulated stating that Genneva has been reopened and the customers could go to the office to collect their gold.

Millions of ringgit are now at stake following the raid and suspension of Genneva’s operations.

Todate, Shanti said: “Genneva has fulfilled its obligations to us as customers.

Some of these gold buyers date back to about three years ago when it opened for business at the end of 2010 launched by the former prime minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad, on 15th December 2010.”

Shanti called on the government to act swiftly and direct Bank Negara to allow Genneva to recommence operations and thereby safeguard and protect its 60,000 customers.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

BNM replied to a question.

BNM FaceBook
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If SC is the regulatory body for unit trust, which authority regulates gold trading?

Bank Negara Malaysia | Central Bank of Malaysia (Official):

Dear Adly… There is no restriction of buying and selling gold or silver in Malaysia. However, if the gold/silver trading – investment scheme clearly offers investment opportunity by collecting deposits from the public and investors are promised investment returns/profits within a certain period of time, whereby the original investment will be refunded or in other words if a company appeared to be involving in illegal deposit taking by using gold/silver to camouflage its activities, it maybe contravene section 25(1) Banking And Financial Institutions Act 1989 (BAFIA).

We have investigated and charged numerous instances involving companies having illegal deposit-taking and trading in gold as their underlying products that might contravene Section 25(1), BAFIA such as Genneva Sdn Bhd, Bestino Group Berhad, Gold Label Sdn Bhd. For your information, we also monitor these activities very closely and we will not hesitate to conduct investigations should a company appears to be involved in illegal deposit-taking using gold to camouflage its activities.

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Annoying Me says 11 years ago

The following cut/paste only serves to illustrate one point – the key word “ONLY” was used by Anon Me alone and deliberately left out subsequently to set the semantics trap.

At the end of the day, denying all that you may, Anon Me you used that word “ONLY”, not me.

Let me put these 2 sentences to you again Anon Me:

1) Genneva is a ponzi
2) ONLY Genneva is a ponzi

Same meaning?

A simple yes or no suffice, no need ifs or buts or howevers or whatever fanciful wordplay.

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Anonymous me
20/10/2012 at 07:01 (UTC 8) Link to this comment

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Dear Annoying Me

No trap was set by me. But thanks for admitting you set a trap. Good for viewers to see your character & mode of operation.

On 18/10/2012 at 10:28 (UTC 8), you mentioned:
“This “you mean to say blahblahblah…” sentence is a sentence of YOUR OWN creation – YOUR DELUDED CONJECTURE !
On 18/10/2012 at 21:19 (UTC 8), you mentioned:
“hahaha, did you just copy and paste MY OWN words? Did I post anything that started with ” YOU MEAN TO SAY……..?”. You again proving yourself you cannot read properly.
The very words “YOU MEAN TO SAY….?” is a question you created out of YOUR OWN CONJECTURE.”
When I followed per what you quote, you cite that I missed out the word “ONLY”. Seems I’m not the ONLY one right? Good trap you set… for yourself. hahaha

Still till now, no reply to:
So you mean to say only “MAS, CAD, BNM, or Attorney Chambers trying to charge GM2 or some Tak-Jadi Lawyer trying to defend GM2″ need to “produce any papers etc whatever” for the consultants?

Why not just answer the question? Why “using others as your kicking bag, stop dodging behind coat tails by quoting and diverting to others”? You’re just like greenhorn.

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